Testing as Measurement—Why Bug-Hunting Misses the Point With Tom Gilb and Simon Holzapfel

Testing as Measurement—Why Bug-Hunting Misses the Point With Tom Gilb and Simon Holzapfel

Published: December 10, 2025

Duration: 12:57

BONUS: Testing as Measurement—Why Bug-Hunting Misses the Point With Tom Gilb and Simon Holzapfel The Revelation That Almost Caused a Car Crash

"Tom said like 10 sentences in a row, kind of like a geometric proof, that just so blew my mind I almost drove off the road. I realized I had wasted hundreds of hours in boardrooms arguing about errors of which we were aware of perhaps 10%."

Simon shares the moment Tom's framework clicked for him. The insight? Traditional testing—finding bugs and defects—is the wrong focus entirely. It's a programmer's view of the wo...

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