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Conversations exploring China, technology, and US-China relations. Guests include a wide range of analysts, policymakers, and academics. Hosted by Jordan Schneider.Check out the newsletter at https://www.chinatalk.media/
Episodes(40 episodes)
WarTalk: NatSec in Congress + AI Evals for War
How do you evaluate an AI model for a war you can only fight once? Ike Harris, a Naval officer turned Hill staffer turned AI policy operator, joins the show to discuss his effort to bridge the gap between the labs that build frontier models and the operators who'll deploy them.
Ike Harris is the executive director of the newly launched Frontier Security Institute, and was most recently the Republican tech lead on the House Select Committee on the CCP, with prior stints in OSD and as a surface warfare officer.
We discuss…
The GA...
Published: May 29, 2026Duration: 48m 46s
Arizona's Abundance Playbook
How did Arizona lock in billion-dollar investments from TSMC, Intel, and LG Energy?
Ian O’Grady, Senior Policy Advisor to Arizona Governor Katie Hobbs, joins ChinaTalk to share war stories from the state that’s successfully reshoring semiconductor and battery production.
Our conversation covers:
Labor Disputes and Crisis Management — How the Governor’s Office mediates disagreements between stakeholders and keeps workers happy.
Clean Air Act vs. chips — Why Arizona’s fabs struggled to get building permits despite the state’s low per-capita emissions.
Arizona’s Abundance Playbook — Including a consolidated commerce authority, a culture of engineering > l...
Published: May 28, 2026Duration: 59m 15s
WarTalk: Ukraine's Forward Drone Line with Rob Lee
Rob Lee dials in from Ukraine for a long-form WarTalk on what the front line actually looks like in year four — where infantry sit underground for six months without seeing the sun, where 2% of casualties come from small arms, and where the "forward line of troops" has been quietly replaced by a forward line of UAV teams.
Rob Lee is a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and one of the most-read analysts of the Russia-Ukraine war; he's joined on the show by WarTalk regulars Bryan Clark, Tony Stark, and Justin.
We discuss…
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Published: May 26, 2026Duration: 1h 9m 26s
Doing Big Things in Policy: It's All White Space
Wanna do big things? This week, a how-to guide for technically minded people who want to stop posting and start changing things — covering everything from why every globally important problem is "white space."
Joining Jordan are Kumar Garg, founder of Renaissance Philanthropy and a veteran of the Obama White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Remco Zwetsloot, co-founder of the Horizon Institute for Public Service, which builds pipelines into government for emerging-tech talent.
We discuss…
Why $10 million globally on lead remediation tells you everything about how undertalented the world's most important problems are
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Published: May 22, 2026Duration: 56m 9s
Trump's China Visit: Prestige on the Cheap
From Mar-a-Lago to the Great Hall, Trump returns to Beijing desperate for validation while Xi Jinping treats him to strategic flattery. It’s the first time an American president has been to China in seven years. It deserves a podcast, although, as Trivium said, the outcomes could have been an email instead of a summit.
Today’s guests are Sergey Radchenko, author of To Run the World: The Kremlin’s Cold War Bid for Global Power — which won a ChinaTalk Book of the Year award and got the four-hour podcast treatment — as well as ChinaTalk regulars Kevin Xu of Inte...
Published: May 18, 2026Duration: 1h 7m 53s
The Stalemate Summit: Xi-Trump in the Long Sweep of US-China Relations
Julian Gewirtz, former Biden administration China official, now at Columbia, joins me to chat about the Xi-Trump visit and all things US-China. Matt Sheehan, senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, drops by to give his takes on the AI angle.We cover:
What to expect (and not expect) from the Trump-Xi “stalemate summit”
Historical echoes from the 1793 Macartney mission and the 1972 Nixon-Kissinger opening — summit optics, status games, and the choreography of power.
Taiwan — arms sales, declaratory language, and Beijing's long game on Taiwanese morale and politics.
The good and bad case for China in the I...
Published: May 12, 2026Duration: 1h 19m 51s
WarTalk: Iran War 'Love Tap' Edition feat. Jack Shanahan
The White House says the war is over. The White House also says it's continuing in a new form. Two weeks after the launch of Project Freedom, only two Maersk ships took the offer. Roughly 900 ships remain trapped in the Persian Gulf, and the Saudis just declined to grant basing or overflight rights.
Retired Lt. Gen. Jack Shanahan — founding director of the Pentagon's Joint AI Center and former head of Project Maven — joins Bryan Clark, Eric Robinson, Tony Stark, and Justin McIntosh to dig into the purgatory.
We discuss…
Why Project Freedom collapsed
A leaked...
Published: May 9, 2026Duration: 1h 20m 28s
(Audio Fixed!!) Ken Liu on AI, Daoism, and Freedom
Ken Liu graces ChinaTalk with his presence. He is the author of the Dandelion Dynasty silkpunk fantasy series and a brilliant short fiction writer — one of his stories was recently adapted into Sam Altman’s favorite show, Pantheon. We all know his translation work on the first and third volumes of the Three-Body Problem trilogy, but even better was his absolutely brilliant translation and commentary of the Dao De Jing. As much as I hoped that project would get him fully on the classical Chinese translation train, he followed it up with a very different direction — a techno-AI thriller, All Th...
Published: May 7, 2026Duration: 1h 18m 12s
WarTalk: Still Very Much Out of Ammo!
Two weeks into the US-Iran ceasefire, CENTCOM is requesting Dark Eagle hypersonics, the 82nd Airborne is flowing into theater, and the wargames keep telling us the same thing — there’s no military solution to the Strait of Hormuz.
Becca Wasser, America’s wargaming queen, currently with Bloomberg, joins WarTalk regulars Bryan Clark, Eric Robinson, and Justin Mc.
We discuss…
Why CENTCOM is using JASSMs to hit targets a glide bomb could handle
What cosplay costs the Indo-Pacific
The myth of US air superiority over Iran, and the SEAD legwork no one w...
Published: Apr 30, 2026Duration: 1h 2m 54s
Quantum 201: US v China Quantum Industrial Base
Constanza Vidal Bustamante joins Chris Miller and Zachary Yerushalmi to break down her new report with John Burke, Quantum's Industrial Moment: Strengthening US Quantum Supply Chains for Scalable Advantage — a deep dive into the components, chokepoints, and policy levers that will decide who wins the race to a fault-tolerant quantum computer.
We discuss…
(00:00) Why quantum is "pre-transistor" — and why the US still has time to lock in supply chain dominance before the next-gen architecture is even invented
(09:53) Dilution refrigerators, helium-3 from the nuclear stockpile, and whether mining the moon is actually a viable Plan B
(17:43) Did the 20...
Published: Apr 27, 2026Duration: 1h 14m 39s
WarTalk: No Ammo for Taiwan, Polymarket, Bye Phelan, Will Driscoll Go The Distance?
The Pentagon is leaking to the press that America doesn't have the missiles to win a war over Taiwan — and the Iran war is the reason why. Meanwhile, a Special Forces master sergeant is looking at federal charges for a $400,000 Polymarket bet on the Maduro regime, and SecNav John Phelan spent an hour sitting in the West Wing lobby waiting to get fired.
To discuss, WarTalk is joined by Bryan Clark (former submariner, Hudson Institute), Justin Mc (former Green Beret, now in defense tech), Eric Robinson (former OSC NCT and 101st Airborne, now a lawyer), and Tony St...
Published: Apr 24, 2026Duration: 58m 12s
Sen. Chris Murphy on Corruption, China and AI
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Published: Apr 23, 2026Duration: 25m 1s
Quantum 101
What exactly is quantum computing? Why does it matter, and what would it actually mean to “win” the quantum race? Zach Yerushalmi, CEO of Elevate Quantum, a Mountain West–based public-private consortium advancing the U.S. quantum ecosystem, and Chris Miller join the podcast to discuss.
Our conversation covers…
What Quantum Computing Actually Is — A primer on qubits, superposition, and why quantum computers aren’t “faster classical machines” but fundamentally different systems designed to simulate nature and solve specific classes of problems.
Why Quantum Matters Now — Breakthroughs in error correction and hardware have shifted quantum fr...
Published: Apr 20, 2026Duration: 1h 13m 2s
WarTalk: Is Mythos a Cyber Nuke? + The Blockade That Wasn't
We discuss…
Why Mythos is a Dr. Strangelove moment — and whether the better analogy is a nuke or a pandemic
Who gets the keys: Ukraine vs. South Korea vs. Japan vs. the Five Eyes, and why the Defense Production Act now looks likelier than the supply-chain-risk designation
The death of the patch model — and the return of air-gapped networks, mesh comms, and couriers shuttling classified work in person
Steve Feinberg's half-trillion-dollar portfolio, the rise of direct-reporting program managers, and why a Senate-confirmed deputy can now make American industry rise and fall
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Published: Apr 17, 2026Duration: 1h 2m 18s
The Think Tank New Breed (IFP + FAI)
Caleb Watney (Institute for Progress) and Max Bodach (Foundation for American Innovation) on what the new breed of DC think tanks does differently and why the old model is broken.
We discuss:
Why "counterfactual policy impact" matters more than white papers and what's wrong with project-based funding
Cross-partisanship vs. picking sides: IFP pulls the rope sideways, FAI builds a big tent on the right
Vertical integration over specialization — the person who wrote the brief should be the one selling it on the Hill
Whether AI eats the think tank or just the parts that weren't working an...
Published: Apr 16, 2026Duration: 1h 8m 0s
Claude Mythos and National Power
Anthropic’s new model found decades-old vulnerabilities in foundational open-source code that millions of automated tests and countless human experts had missed, presaging a potentially revolutionary moment in cyber.
Ben Buchanan, former senior advisor for AI at the White House and author of The Hacker and the State, and Michael Sulmeyer, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Cyber Policy, join the show to break it all down. Full disclosure: Ben advises Anthropic.
We discuss…
How Mythos found 27-year-old bugs in code everyone thought was secure
The offense-defense balance: whether a Ukraine with...
Published: Apr 12, 2026Duration: 57m 9s
WarTalk: Who Won the Iran War? (Second Breakfast Rebranded...)
Eric Robinson, Tony Stark , Justin Mc , and Secretary of Defense Rock join me to score the Iran conflict.
We discuss…
Whether Iran’s Strait of Hormuz toll booth is a Trump card or a wasting asset
How the administration fumbled the messaging on the war’s most heroic moment — the JSOC pilot rescue deep inside Iran
The Prussia 1806 parallel: are we a great military machine that’s forgotten how to fight?
Colby’s bizarre knife fight with Pope Leo
McMasterism, dereliction of duty, and why no one is pushing b...
Published: Apr 10, 2026Duration: 1h 3m 10s
How Ukraine Makes Drones
Ukrainian drone manufacturing. How has the country been able to build hundreds of thousands, even millions of drones over the past four years of conflict? What dependencies does its industrial base still have on China? And what lessons does its rapid scaling offer for the rest of the world?
To discuss, we’re joined by Cat Buchatskiy, Director of Analytics at Snake Island, a military analytical group, along with Chris Miller
Our conversation covers:
How battlefield pressure forced Ukraine to build a drone war machine from scratch — from a handful of soldiers flying off...
Published: Apr 7, 2026Duration: 1h 4m 20s
Second Breakfast: F-15, Pete's Purges, CENTCOM Hubris, War of 1812
An F-15E is down in southern Iran. Justin, Tony, Eric and I talk through what combat search and rescue actually looks like, how a captured pilot changes the politics of ending this war, and why a hostage makes the "pack up and go home" play functionally impossible.
Then: the AWACS that "only" lost a third of itself on a Saudi tarmac, why CENTCOM is still parking high-value aircraft like it's 2003, and what Operation Spiderweb and three years of Ukrainian drone warfare should have taught us but didn't. Plus Pete Hegseth's ongoing purge of the officer corps...
Published: Apr 3, 2026Duration: 1h 11m 9s
The American Federal Civil Service: A History
The history of the American federal civil service — what can we learn from its past glories and failures, and where should we take this next? We have Kevin Hawickhorst of the Foundation for American Innovation to discuss:
The Pendleton Act myth — Why civil service reform didn’t begin or end with Pendleton, and why starting the story there misses what actually made the system work.
The rise of the subject-matter state — How early 20th-century agencies staffed with real experts — entomologists, engineers, agronomists — made the U.S. bureaucracy arguably the most capable in the world.
From expertise...
Published: Apr 1, 2026Duration: 58m 22s